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David Gould

The comparison map is a smaller picture. Maybe that explains some of it. It is certainly feeding Goddard's sense that we are about to witness the start of the next ice age ... ;)

Nick Barnes

None of these CT maps seem to be keeping up with the MODIS pictures. Look at the Baffin Sea, for instance. Maybe, just maybe, there's a lot of small ice which is being detected by the AMSR instruments which isn't visible on the true-colour MODIS shots. Or maybe there's some other explanation. In any case, animating the MODIS shots makes it clear that the central ice is very broken and highly mobile (for instance, most of the ice between Franz Josef Land and the pole is broken into big floes which is heading towards Fram Strait at 20-30km per day, and melting as it reaches the edge of open water somewhere around 82N).

Nick Barnes

(Shorter: who you gonna believe? The radar, or your own lyin' eyes?)

Lord Soth

The 2010 data looks more like 2009 data. Looks like they have messed up their data sets. I have sent an email to Cryosphere today for a clarification.

We don't need to give the "We Use Wishful Thinking" crowd, or what I often refer to as the "flat earth society" any more ammunition.

I will post if I get a response.

Neven
The 2010 data looks more like 2009 data. Looks like they have messed up their data sets. I have sent an email to Cryosphere today for a clarification.

LS, I have also had brief contact with CT. They wrote back that their scripts seem to be working fine, although that doesn't rule out data problems at the original archive locations. They are going to keep an eye on this and double check, which is very friendly as they are probably very busy doing science things.

Peter Ellis

Any progress working out what's wrong with the CT mini-maps? The discrepancy with the main map is completely laughable now, and it's just giving ammunition to WUWT.

Neven

Nope. Perhaps we'll hear more about it at the end of the melting season.

Kevin McKinney

I think it's not so much giving "ammunition" to Goddard et al., as giving "rope." The point now, IMO, would be to document the, uh, "misguided" comments made, so that the egg will better adhere later on.

Two cents.

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