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Kevin McKinney

Thanks for a clear and sensible statement about the 'whys and wherefores' of this blog!

You spoke for me with this statement:

"I think I could be labeled as an 'alarmist', although 'alarmed' would be more precise." Like you, I think the reasons for alarm are quite substantial--unfortunately.

You hit the nail squarely on the head when it comes to continual economic growth. This is the thinking that is behind the euro crisis, the hysteria and resistance to changing from a fossil fuel energy infrastructure to renewables, efficiency and conservation, and the impossible hoarding of wealth among the richest.

And it is all based upon fear of change. And, absurdly, fear of changing BACK to a life in harmony with the planet, rather than in perpetual war with it.


Did I misunderstand, or did you claim that the Arctic sea ice is melting because some people don't have the means to "fully develop as a human being"? I admire your data compilation, but I think you've made a 'great leap forward' if you'll pardon the pun.


You misunderstood. :-)

I don't pretend to know it all. This is just a summary of my theories so that people know where I'm coming from and can then decide for themselves if they agree or not with what I'm saying about the Arctic sea ice and other things. The more you know about a source, the better you can judge its trustworthiness.


But to answer your question: I suspect that the Arctic sea ice is melting because in our culture freedom is equated to doing whatever you like, without limits. But in my view that's not at all what freedom is about. I can now make a leap to the neoclassical economic concept of infinite growth, but it's best if I leave it at this.

Oh, and welcome BTW.


Neven, Thank you for sharing a little about your concerns and hopes for the future. My passion for trying to do something about AGW is my family's future. Like you I garden, albeit, on a small scale. I find it practical and relaxing in our fast paced world. I have been involved in AGW since the late 1980's. Even then the evidence collected and published in Congressional Research Service memos left no doubt about the direction that the Arctic and planet Earth would follow. Since then it has been a long uphill struggle to educate and remove the barriers to change. I am so glad for your blog. Perhaps change will start here. Keep up the good work. You are on the right path. Thank you again.


Thanks, Lloyd. I also garden on a small scale, but hope to crank it up as soon as we've found a place to live.

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My passion for trying to do something about AGW is my family's future.
I think that is why a lot of people have gravitated to Neven's site.

I also "garden" but it is part of my job and at a scale that I can offset my/my families emissions. Just working out how many seeds/seedlings I need to collect to offset my up-and-coming flights (I generally don't fly, but these ones can't be avoided).

Seke Rob

Just ordered 2 electric bicycles on Saturday... range maximum, if peddling along, up to 180km, top speed 25 miles/hour, if you support peddle hard enough [much much lighter], and powerful enough to scale our steepest salita [with the bag-rack packed with groceries, up to 25kg]. Estimated cost, 4 cents per charge. Sure it still burns FF from the power stations, but in a wholly more efficient manner [they're running anyhow at night...lowest cost 00:00-07:00AM]. That's what we do in latest active *greener* move. The car did 2,500 km in past 12 months, the rest we do on foot, push bike [much less now] or public transport... 1 Euro for 90 minutes, or 2.80 Euro for unlimited day use. Round trip Rome [450km return] by train, 27 Euro pp. No competition as the toll road is already 35 Euro for a return, apart from fuel and the waste of time on finding a parking space. Public transport use saw a 40% subscription rise in past 12 months, but then, we have a public transport dense network, priced as a basic service for all to afford. Sadly, being greener is still a 'if you can afford', but sure enough all lights in the house are no-longer incandescent and apparatus, in off, not standby when not in use. Many small amounts add up. This is what we could do so far in the personal sphere.

Artful Dodger

Hi Rob. Wow, that is phenomenal range for an ebike, even with vigorous pedal assist. Would you mind sharing the brand/model name? Perhaps a link?

Cheers, Lodger
(ebike since May 2000 ;^)

Seke Rob

Kalkhoff, KTM, A2B to name a few [latter we had cancelled on us... could not deliver]. Some of these are `must peddle´ or they wont propel.

This is the said range champion, not something we´d do on any normal trip:


Be aware :: Forget about the link above, it is only spam!!!!!!


Thanks, Espen. Deleted now.


from one "alarmed" to another, thanks for your continuing efforts to bring these things to the public attention.
On the subject of society's addiction to economic growth, you may be interested to watch (and promote?) a very useful film called "Growthbusters - Hooked on Growth" by Colorado film maker Dave Gardner. It deals in depth with this subject and is currently gaining traction on the film circuit in the US and elsewhere.
Another source of insights that might interest you and other bloggers is a book that I published recently. "pachacuti" is environment and philosophy in a novel and explores in fiction form the global social and environmental issues we must grapple with and the fundamental human impediments to action - an exploration of sustainable social values. I'd be more than happy to post you a free copy in recognition of the work you are doing. My own website with blog and forum can be found here seeks to use the entertainment media as a vehicle for social change message.
Please keep up your valuable contribution.

Martin Gisser

On economic growth Michael Tobis just said it on

The steady state economy would be achievable except for the deep-seated integration of “growth” into how we manage our “finances”.

The problem is compound interest. It seems to be inherent to financial management that the phenomenon of interest arises. But I can't say I understand that. There's an interesting 1200p. German book by Karl-Heinz Brodbeck that claims to have solved the enigma of interest: It arises because "nobody" knows where the additional money is made (e.g. in the darkness of Congo c19/20th, e.g. by taxing the future with negative externalities, ...)

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