Not so long ago, in one of the comment sections, we discussed whether it would be possible for a large piece of the ice pack to separate itself from the main body of ice in the Arctic Basin. At the time we could see on the ice concentration maps that there was a relatively concentrated mass of ice north of Svalbard between the NE tip of Greenland and Franz Josef Land, that looked like it was going to be surrounded on three sides by swathes of less concentrated patches (red, orange and yellow in the image on the right: ice concentration map of Uni Bremen on the 29th of July).
I expressed my doubt that this could come about as it would take an exceptional combination of atmospheric circumstances, with winds blowing the patch southwards to disentangle it from the main pack, but paradoxically keeping the rest of the ice in place. I figured the ice floes in the less concentrated swathes would just follow the wind, maintaining the visual impression on the ice concentration maps that the patch was still attached to the main pack, albeit with a lot of lower concentration colours between them.
The idea is still stimulating. A lot of the ice seems have been spread out so much in the past few weeks that the patch north of Svalbard has been joined by two other patches on the other side of the ice pack.The idea is becoming so relevant that I decided to have a closer look at the current situation. I'm not sure, but I think the ice pack falling apart with patches of highly concentrated ice breaking away from the pack could be a precedent in the satellite era.
Here's yesterday's Cryosphere Today sea ice concentration map:
The patch north of Svalbard is still there. There's a big one in the Eastern Siberian Sea, and a smaller one in the Beaufort Sea. One might ask why these patches are more concentrated than the swathes of ice floes surrounding them. The reason for this is clear when we look at this image from the last NSIDC monthly analysis:
This winter was marked by an anomalously negative Arctic Oscillation that caused heavy snowfalls in the Northern Hemisphere. When the Arctic Oscillation is in its negative phase high-pressure systems dominate the Arctic. These anti-cyclones cause strong winds that blow clockwise and set the Beaufort Gyre in motion. And thus a lot of the multi-year ice in front of Greenland and the Canadian Archipelago was transported towards Siberia. These are now forming the patches of sea ice with relatively high concentration.
So the big question is: can these patches break free from the pack and lead a life of their own? I'm still not sure, it all depends on weather conditions (duh). If the weather stays like it has been the past 5 weeks we might not be seeing winds that are sufficiently strong to push the patches away from the central pack, and I'm not sure if in situ melting at this point in the season can do the trick. The window for such events is starting to close as we speak.
What if that forecasted high-pressure system over the Beaufort Sea starts to develop for real next week and the Beaufort Gyre kicks into gear again, spurred by westerly winds? One would think the small patch(es) in the Beaufort Seawould get pressed into the central pack again, but perhaps the bigger patch in the East Siberian Sea would get swirled loose by the winds blowing westwards. Either way it will be interesting to watch.
If you have trouble getting some sleep tonight, you better not watch the horrid mosters lurking in the artic ocean http://mgds.ldeo.columbia.edu/healy/reports/aloftcon/2010/20100806-2001.jpeg
be afraid, be very afraid
Posted by: siili | August 06, 2010 at 23:36
Aaaahhh, how did Jeff Goldblum get there? Those scientists are toast.
BTW, I didn't know there were flies in the Arctic around this time of year.
Posted by: Neven | August 06, 2010 at 23:39
Let's wind the clock back to Summer 2007. The Arctic Dipole Anomaly (DA) produced steady winds which, along with remarkable Pacific heat influx, pushed and THICKENED the sea ice that did not melt into a semi-circular band between the Kara and Greenland seas.
Fast forward 3 years to Spring 2010, and the Beaufort Gyre has transported that remaining thick, melt-resistant sea ice 180 degrees back to the Beaufort and Chukchi seas, facing the Bering Strait.
This is the situation that has played out in Summer 2010. The last stand of the multi-year ice. And like in war, if the Rear crumbles, the battle is lost as the Front is outflanked, bypassed and finally overrun. We will know in just a few weeks. Watch the SSTs for signs of imminent collapse. They are the most reliable predictor.
Perhaps in our near future, an open water Arctic Ocean will be dominated by persistent low SLP and cloudy skies (like July 2010) that will raise the polar albedo somewhat. Pray that it does, because beyond here there lie REAL Dragons, not just gigantic flies.
Posted by: Artful Dodger | August 06, 2010 at 23:57
Maslowski looks better and better all the time.
Posted by: Steve Bloom | August 07, 2010 at 00:30
Flies in the Arctic?
Oh yeah. Never been there, myself, but I've read Farley Mowat's "People of the Deer," including the bit about the fly larvae parasitizing the caribou, and any number of accounts about the awe-inspiring Arctic mosquito population.
Of course, all that was on the tundra, not out in the middle of the ocean somewhere. I'm assuming that fly was a hitchhiker--or, I should say, stowaway?
Posted by: Kevin McKinney | August 07, 2010 at 00:39
Neven: "The window for such events is starting to close as we speak.".
It is indeed! I have graphed the daily changes in SIE as well as the average change over the last 8 years for the period 1 August- 15 September . The graphs are based on 3 day moving averages and I have shown only the last 5 years for clarity.
It is clear that the line is moving upwards throughout the period, but the slope is even more pronounced after mid-August. Unless we see a few century breaks in the next few days, based on recent previous years patterns, we cannot expect that the decrease for the rest of the season will be much over a million sqkm.
Posted by: Phil263 | August 07, 2010 at 02:18
Phil, you may be surprised comparing the 2010 ice pack to any other year. We have never been in this position before: most diffuse pack, thinnest pack. Linear fits on past years are now out of context. Remember, solar insolation is not the main forcing in August. Sea surface temperatures is most important. Any influx of heat from either Atlantic or Pacific sides can cause a quick phase change in the sea ice.
Posted by: Artful Dodger | August 07, 2010 at 02:29
I'm not sure about this idea, but certainly I've never seen open swathes of water in the central pack anything like this year's. Tonight's MODIS has a huge polynya centered at about 87N, 180W, hundreds of kilometres across, not completely open water but no more than maybe 30% concentration. It's just phenomenal.
Posted by: Nick Barnes | August 07, 2010 at 02:29
In Human terms, think of the Beaufort Sea Ice as an aging, arthritic Prize Fighter. Past his prime, punch-drunk and hanging on to the ropes, praying for the Bell. Surviving only in the cool cover of unprecedented July clouds.
Meanwhile, over the Southern Beaufort Horizon, this SST Anomaly continues to build. And, 30 Knot SE winds are predicted for the Chukchi Sea on Aug 9.
Posted by: Artful Dodger | August 07, 2010 at 03:01
Neven, the word verification box won't appear, so I can't post a link. I can see the characters, but the entry box doesn't show. I'll try it unhot instead.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/kennedy.uk.php
Posted by: Steve Bloom | August 07, 2010 at 06:13
Hmm, so it's only a problem with embedded links. Odd.
Posted by: Steve Bloom | August 07, 2010 at 06:14
So anybody up for a little local forecasting, about when the Northen Searoute will open up, and that funny shaped thing still hanging on to Taimyr will let go? Todays TERRA is semiclear so you can compare the look with passive and active microwave. And if anybody is good at interpreting Russian icereports, the icebreaker passed recently. And
how are those weatherforcasts looking, still good?
Posted by: siili | August 07, 2010 at 09:26
Another thought about breaking up is how very easy it's getting to spot where the multiyear ice is situated in the icepack. When i compare my favourite passive microwave map from Bremen with Fowler/Maslaniks iceage map (one fron v25 is in Julys Search update, a slightly later in NSIDCs latest icereport), the correlation is striking in some places.
The clearest to me are the outlying areas of 2nd year ice, one in a semicircle north of the New Siberian Islands, the other halfway between Barrow and the pole. Theese areas are still high concentration in the maps, surrounded by broken ice on all sides.
When we go closer to the pole we find a large area of 3rd year ice, but now this ice is instead heavily broken, and on the other side halfway to the Franz Josef Land, lots of 3-4 year ice, also totally broken up.
Iceage based melt forcasting is very much an evolving science as Julienne Stroeves writing in the Search reports show, but it's fun to be able to follow it so closely in real time.
It would be even more fun to have access to the old iceage-maps/drifttracks to be able to follow the ice back in time to see where it has been and what in has been through. Like the old Russian Polarstation NP-22 which circled the arctic for nine years following the Beaufort Gyre, http://iabp.apl.washington.edu/pdfs/RigorWallace2004.pdf in sharp contrast to the latest NP-37, which had to be evacuated in the early summer due to the floe it was situated on breaking up. http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100516/159032877.html
Maybe inspired of this Russia is not planning any more manned icefloe stations, instead they are building a floating island out of steel.
Posted by: siili | August 07, 2010 at 12:20
siili
how are those weatherforcasts looking, still good?
Wetterzentrale forecast a high over the Beaufort Sea from Monday and for the next six days. The 2010 SIE chart is in badly needed help if it is to stay in the race with 2008 and even 2009. SIE drops are quite low at the moment (61 k preliminary today!).
Saturday's report from DMI doesn't look too promising, but I am not sure how they gather their data; the graph shows 30% extent.
Posted by: Phil263 | August 07, 2010 at 13:16
Thanks Phil, i'll try some private forecasting, looks like some packed isobars at least.
Regarding DMI there where an article on the other side of the mirror a few days ago, you could try that. You dont't have any relation to the Phil over there by any chance?
Posted by: siili | August 07, 2010 at 14:02
It appears that a huge piece of landfast ice is breaking up on the north east side of greenland. This may increase the outflow of ice from the arctic if the winds and currents push southeastward.
Always enjoy all posts and comments on this site.
Bob
Posted by: r w Langford | August 07, 2010 at 17:42
So far, no inflection in slope of ice extent.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Usually happens sometime in August; 2008 looks to have latest date.
Posted by: Andrew Xnn | August 07, 2010 at 21:50
Watching the Bremen SIE maps, the spread out ice in the Beaufort/Chukchi Seas is melting away before very our eyes under an incredible high pressure ridge. Is this the start of the Dipole Anomaly?
Posted by: Thomas Woodruff | August 07, 2010 at 22:01
Siili
I am not sure where "the other side of the mirror" is, but any way to answer your question, I am not contributing to any other blog on a similar topic.
Thomas,
Doersn't look like much melting is happening right now: only 17 k decrease in SIA overnight see CT and SIE went down by 48 k...
Posted by: Phil263 | August 08, 2010 at 02:28
Phil/siili,
Pardon my jumping in, but I thought siili might be away from the Confuser (temp. i'm sure!)
I believe 'the other side of the mirror' is a reference to Anthony Watt's (in)famous pseudo-skeptic blog 'Watt's up with That'. These days, Steve Goddard (apparently not his real name) is a frequent guest blogger specializing in Arctic Sea Ice.
I don't waste much time there ( 2x time per year?)... to quote old Ben Kenobi, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy". You've been warned, don't blame me if your head implodes when trying to follow some of the twisted lines of logic over there. It's a denialist hangout, pure and simple. DENY-DELAY-EXTEND.
Posted by: Artful Dodger | August 08, 2010 at 03:18
WUWT = We Use Wishful Thinking
Working quite well this melting season too. Just a few more weeks of the 'AGW is a hoax'-mantra and we'll be left with an ice pack of 5-10 cm thickness at an extent of 5.5 million square km.
Posted by: Neven | August 08, 2010 at 03:45
I don't spend too much time on WUWT. At first, I was interested in finding a " balanced" opinion, but I quickly realised who these people really were. Being an outsider, I am open minded about climate science and to be honest it took me a long time to be convinced. However, I am aware that many in the denialist camp (but not all) are mainly driven by political ideology or simply by what they believe is the protection of their business ineterests ( short term view in my opinion).
OTH I think that climate science must be impeccable in its credentials if it doen't want to be target of critics with different agendas. The recent case of the Himalayan ice fields is a clear example of sloppy reporting ( I doubt that it was sloppy research). I believe that climate change scientists are doing a great job, and hopefully they will be building enough evidence so that at some stage, the general public will be ready to accept the economic sacrifices that are necessary if we want to tackle the big environmental challenges that we are facing. However, we mustn't be carried away and as a researcher myself I think it is important to keep a dispassionate attitude towards the facts.
Posted by: Phil263 | August 08, 2010 at 03:55
Phil, you're in a special position to influence attitudes and shape opinions. Have you seen Grist Magazine's excellent series of articles How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic?
Now there's even an iPhone App out there which connect to the Skeptical Science blog so you can walk around "packin' heat". Notably, the App has a slider to set the level of difficulty in the answer to Easy-Intermediate-Expert.
Posted by: Artful Dodger | August 08, 2010 at 04:19
To return to the title, i think there is a better chance that the ice in the northern East Sibera Sea will depart, as is has done in previous years, and according to the models, the ice is especially thick there this year.
Just below it, the ice is opening up from both sides, compare what has happened in two days: http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=Arctic_r05c04.2010218.terra.1km&vectors=coast
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=Arctic_r05c04.2010220.terra.1km&vectors=coast
Posted by: siili | August 08, 2010 at 08:47
Here's some dispassion, Phil. I've corresponded with another permafrost expert, and it seems there's a consensus in the field that it really could start letting loose on a large scale at any time. When it does happen (now inevitable IMHO) among other interesting experiments we get to find out what the upper constraint on ice sheet melt really is. What fun, eh?
The difficulty is that there really are a number of known unknowns that seem poised to bite us in the butt rather badly. The idea that we will be able to escape all of them seems just plain crazy. As Ray Pierrehumbert says, we *should* be alarmed.
Even so none of this should be a barrier to doing good science.
Posted by: Steve Bloom | August 08, 2010 at 09:25
Hmm, "dispassion" was supposed to be a link. I guess I should give up on the embedding. Anyway, here it is: http://www.19wcss.org.au/FileLibrary/19_wcss_thawing_frozen_soils_could_unleash_carbon_.pdf .
Posted by: Steve Bloom | August 08, 2010 at 09:27
Steve, are any remote sensing assets targeting methane release from the tundra? If so, any data for the Siberian 'Summer of Fire'? Cheers.
Posted by: Artful Dodger | August 08, 2010 at 12:32
On secont thought, maybe the area between Barrow and the pole is a better candidate, it is almost encircled already, and the PIPS2 and ECMWF forecasts looks like they are continuing to show anticyclonic circulation arround it, so who knows?
Posted by: siili | August 09, 2010 at 14:09
Don't know specifically, AD, but I assume that since the ESS reports from last year all involved on-site measurtements there must not be anything. It would be interesting to overlay the July termperature anomalies for Siberia with a map of the permafrost. In any case we should be seeing some information as soon as the field season is over.
Posted by: Steve Bloom | August 10, 2010 at 01:24
Steve: I have a soils scientist buddy and it's all field work for them, no Satellite monitoring. But since the landsat era, I thought methane was detectable from orbit. I don't know enough about the subject to judge. Certainly aqua/terra are equipped to detect forest fires. It seems to me a widespread uptick in methane release would signal an Arctic tipping point.
Posted by: Artful Dodger | August 10, 2010 at 01:34
As I understand it the Russian heat wave is largely in European Russia, the Permafrost is largely in Asian Russia. It is one giantic country.
Posted by: dorlomin | August 10, 2010 at 02:46
Yes indeed Dorlomin, European Russia has been raked by wildfires like another Barbarossa, with tragic loss of life. Russia's Met Center is calling the heat a thousand year event.
Tundra fires in Eastern Siberia have also burned ~100,000 km^2. See the smoke plumes in this MODIS image from 10 days ago.
The smoke from the Siberian fires dispersed as far as Nunavut and Manitoba, Canada. On MODIS today, it looks like about 1.75 million sq. km covered with smoke in Europe (look at the lower left of the Arctic Mosaic):
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?mosaic=Arctic
Posted by: Artful Dodger | August 10, 2010 at 03:31
Pardon, I meant the lower-RIGHT of the Arctic Mosaic, above ;^)
Posted by: Artful Dodger | August 10, 2010 at 03:41
Three days ago i dared you to forecast when the Northen Searoute should open, without any contestants, but today it must be very close to the point when at least Henry Larsen wouldn't hesitate a second.
It is still a bit cloudy, but it could be possible to trace a line through the black water in todays Terra image http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=Arctic_r04c05.2010222.terra.367.250m&vectors=coast
The radarimage also show that the time is getting near http://www.seaice.dk/iwicos/latest/envisat.GMM3d.n.20100810.gif
And if we are to believe the models, the remaining ice should be fairly thin in the area http://topaz.nersc.no/topazVisual/matlab_static_image.php?action=NA_ARC_NWA_Function&file_prefix=ARC&match_date=20100810&depth=0005&variable_name=hice
And the forecasts like PIPS and ECMWF looks like the icemovement pattern will persist for some time, moving the ice away from the coast.
So we'll see what the yachts will do.
And if you look closely at the radarimage on the other side of the pole, you'll spot the new Patrick iceisland drifting free on it's way to Nares strait.
Posted by: siili | August 10, 2010 at 11:44
I'm remain impressed with the intent of this thread - post.
The "Breaking Away From The Pack" seems to be in a much stronger mode.
A composite image on past six day interval
http://www.polk-nc.com/arctic-tenXten.html#pack
Posted by: JackTaylor | August 16, 2010 at 18:13
Neven wrote on August 06, 2010:
I think this topic deserves to be revisited, now 2-years on, since these foretold events occurred several time in 2012.
I think at least part of the story is the difference in melting point between new sea ice, 1st-year ice, and MYI.
Cheers,
Lodger
Posted by: Artful Dodger | September 19, 2012 at 11:41
We saw repeated episodes of large chucks of ice separating from the pack and melting. Notionally, there seems to be several factors in play.
In no particular order:
The above is just is a partial description of the new Arctic. More, faster, in 2013.
Ekman Pumping:
Cheers,
Lodger
Posted by: Artful Dodger | September 20, 2012 at 01:19
Could you not include swells and currents? In reports from scientists on the ground in the last 3 yrs especially they have reported swells from storms reaching 100s of k into the pact where before they would have been stopped on the edge. On top of that I suspect you would also start seeing more evidence of the normal Arctic currents influencing the pack above it because of the wretchedly rotten condition it is in.
As neither of these 2 events are uniform across a very large front I would think they could create disturbances and weaknesses that could help push sections into slightly different trajectories that when hit right by other stronger events then will cause them to break apart.
Posted by: LRC | September 20, 2012 at 02:13
LRC asked: "Could you not include swells and currents?"
Well spotted, LRC. Swells are the mechanism for increased mechanical breakup of the sea ice.
Julienne Strove commented on this phenomena this year, as did David Barber in 2007 when swells reached hundreds of kilometers into the pack ice.
The weakest part breaks, then the two separate parts are free to move independently. Polar Sea provides video.
Cheers,
Lodger
Posted by: Artful Dodger | September 20, 2012 at 02:43
David Barber says the NSIDC numbers are about “a 15-per-cent over-estimation of how much ice is actually there” in this article published September 21, 2012:
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/canada/Arctic+Rotten+North+Pole+scientist+says/7279002/story.html
Posted by: Artful Dodger | September 22, 2012 at 05:11
Thanks for the link Lodger; pretty straight-shooting article.
Posted by: Brian | September 22, 2012 at 05:58
Lodger
That's one hell of an article from an oil town paper!
Terry
Posted by: Twemoran | September 22, 2012 at 06:02
Terry A few things about why it got in that paper. It is part of a large national chain, she is a journalist based in Ottawa specializing partly on environment issues, and Dr. Barber is a prairie boy. The prairies are loyal to their own especially if they feel they are getting kicked by the Bay St./Wall St crowd and are fighting back at them.
Posted by: LRC | September 22, 2012 at 06:59
I thought you'd enjoy the irony, Terry. The original was picked up from canada.com but still some progress.
http://www.canada.com/search/Arctic+Rotten+North+Pole+scientist+says/7279002/story.html
Cheers,
Lodger
Posted by: Artful Dodger | September 22, 2012 at 07:02