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Wade Smith

Hey, Neven, let me educate you one time, and then I'll leave you alone.

you're guy made a personal attack on me, and I tore into him for a reason.

Your friend, "Dr" Jeff Masters doesn't know how this works, sorry to tell you that.

Take a look at this, and TRY to think objectively for a moment.


This is from Masters' site.

Look at that for a few minutes, and ask yourself, "What's wrong with this list?"

Well, I'll tell you what's wrong.

Only 3 of the cyclones were Global Warming cyclones.

21 of the Cyclones were Volcanic Winter Cyclones, including 3 of which happened in the same year, which was one of the 3 coldest years in world history.

12 of the Cyclones happened when Global Warming was too small to measure, in fact, they too actually happened when the Arctic Sea Ice was still INCREASING...

Educate yourself guy.

I'm done with you.

I'm way better at this than you have ever been at anything in your entire pathetic life.


Okay, all the best, Wade.

Connie Quirk

Missed the context to this unpleasant comment by WS, but his criticism doesn't make sense on the face of it. The list he links is, quite simply, of the deadliest cyclones in history.

So its purpose has nothing to do with the criticisms he makes.

I'll second Neven here: have a nice life, Wade.



Thank you for taking on this important work. Thank you too for sharing. I cannot even imagine how you will go about modeling slump and collapse in this sort of system. The complexities are huge. I don't want to take your time away from this work, so I am not looking for detailed answers, though I do have a couple of questions.

What do think are the key dominant parameters to model this?

Might this apply farther south in Siberia for tundra collapse there as well, or are other parameters likely to come into play?


Susan Anderson

In the process of trying to avoid saying what I think about that wholly gratuitous attack on Neven, I've opted out on commenting here several times. But it is deeply unfair to this fascinating article and amazing work, so here I am in my typical "fools rush in where angels fear to tread" clumping boots.

I had a little time to read through, look at the photographs, visit the map site, and in general reflect on this valuable work. There is something about the permafrost erosion that troubles us all, but that's no excuse for evading the issues.

Thank you again, Sam Hayes, with your mudwork and endurance and fascinating work!


Dispiriting that the first response is of the kind it is, but it does touch on an interesting fact: deaths in natural disasters have dropped dramatically over the last eighty years or so, even as the number of people affected has grown; generally this is a result of our construction, planning, forecasting and response becoming more robust. See here for graphs of both deaths and people affected over time: https://ourworldindata.org/natural-catastrophes

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